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~Vera Xanlu
Jun 17, 2013, 5:01 PM
16 Posts
topic has been resolvedResolved

32bit to 64bit Switch and Upgrade for Domino Server

  • Category: Install
  • Platform: Windows
  • Release: 9.0
  • Role: Administrator
  • Tags: domino,traveler,upgrade,64 bit,32 bit,updall
  • Replies: 8
I'm looking for advice on the easiest and most sensible route to upgrade and switch to 64bit.
 
I am currently running domino 853FP1(32bit) and Traveler 853UP2 on a Windows 2008 64 bit platform. Ultimately, I wish to move to Domino 90 (64bit) with Traveler 90 on the same platform.
 
The options I'm considering are as follows...
 
SCENARIO A (2 stages)
Make the move to 64 bit but maintain current server version (853FP1). Would I need to retrograde to 8530(32bit) first to remove the fixpack before installing 8530(64bit)? The switch needs to be done at the weekend. I will have about 6000 apps to updall! Does anyone know if the traveler install would be screwed by this switch? Would traveler need to be re-installed? As far as I can see, there is no 64bit traveler version. Can anyone confirm this for me? After updall, I would bring the server up at that point and make it available for general use. The upgrade to domino 9 could then be done easily at another time and I would anticipate no more than 1 hrs downtime for that.
 
SCENARIO B (2 stages)
Bring the server down for an hour to upgrade to Domino 90(32bit). Upgrade traveler at this point too. Resume service for users. Later, at the weekend, switch to Domino 90(64bit).
 
SCENARIO C (1 fell swoop - Bold and direct)
Install Domino 90(64bit) straight over the top of what I have. The install traveler 90. IS there a 64bit version of traveler 90? Updall all apps. Cross fingers and start service.
 
I am currently thinking that scenario B is the most sensible approach but Im looking for a bit of reassurance and I'd like to know what everyone else thinks.
 
Thanks for any comments.

(* I've posted this in the 85 forum too, sorry if you have already read this.)

 
~August Opjumisonynds
Jun 17, 2013, 7:02 PM
60 Posts
Answers from Domino install team with the help of Travelers install team
1. General considerations:
     
       - There does exist 64 bit Traveler. It is in one package with  32 bit, and it will install Traveler that is compatible with your version of Domino on 64 bit Windows OS.

      - You cannot use 32 bit Traveler with 64 bit Domino, it is not supported and will most likely result in run-time error.        (Luckily , Traveler Installer will prevent you from doing this.)

      -  Domino 64 bit installer will uninstall Domino 32 bit installer (two Domino installers are not supported in general under WIndows). It will preserve your data directory information and notes.ini settings.
        It will make an effort to preserve your paths (unless your 32 bit Domino uses a default path %ProgramFiles%\IBM  for w32 applications  - with "(x86)" .
        In this case it will be replaced with %ProgramFiles%\IBM for 64 bit applications - i.e. c:\Program Files\IBM\Domino.

Note:
        You mention ~6000 apps to update. Those are Java apps? Not specifically 32 bit apps that are loading notes dlls?  In any case -  please, make sure none is running (and using Domino jvm.)
        We had some occurrences when Domino was shut down, but some applications were using Domino's jvm, which interfered with install. Domino re-install fixed the problem, but better do it right the first time.
        (If you are not sure  you had shut everything down please, perform sanity  check that after upgrade to 90 your jvm\bin directory still contains binary files).


I  would recommend
 - shutting down Domino (making sure Traveler and all processes,  as described above,  are shut down)
 - Upgrading both applications to their 64 bit versions
-  restarting Domino & Traveler.
[If  you have a test server you could try it out on test server first, but this is a supported way].


Please, post here if you have any problem along the way outlined above.
Thank you,
Irina Khasin
~James Revelulyader
Jun 17, 2013, 11:47 PM
145 Posts
Additional Comments
Install Domino 8.5.3 64 Bit Domino and then install Domino 8.5.4FP4 64 Bit Domino and then install Traveler all with the Domino Server down....

Since all existing Database Views and Full Text Indexes will rebuild on first access after changing from 32 Bit Domino to 64 Bit Domino... Suggest

Before starting Domino run the Updall Process (nupdall.exe) against all databases..... You can load multiple updall processes if you want this operation to go more quickly by either specifying directories or using indirect (.ind) files...

Once these all run to completion then start Domino and Traveler.....

Let me know if you have any questions....

Some good information Domino Upgrades can be found here...

FYI - The majority of Domino upgrade procedures are the same for Domino 8.5.x as they are for Domino 9.0

I do think it's good you just move from 8.5.x to 8.5.x first when doing a 32 Bit to 64 Bit Domino conversion.
Upgrade Cookbook: Upgrading to Lotus Notes and Domino 8.5.x



http://www-10.lotus.com/ldd/dominowiki.nsf/dx/UC1_TableofContents.htm


There is a reference to 32 Bit to 64 Bit Domino upgrade in this section of the Cookbook....

Phase 1: Planning the deployment


It references this this tech note

Steps to upgrade a 32-bit Domino server to 64-bit server on Windows platform

http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21506430


Feel free to post any follow up questions to the forum and send me an e-mail at the same time in case I miss the post...

jpaganet@us.ibm.com


~Vera Xanlu
Jun 18, 2013, 1:54 PM
16 Posts
Thanks. Just one question...

Thanks very much for the info. I'll convert to 64 bit within the 8.5.x stream first. I'm just wondering about the updall task. Is updall -V enough to invoke the rebuild to 64 bit or do I need to use updall -R.

Thank you

~James Revelulyader
Jun 18, 2013, 2:15 PM
145 Posts
Answer
No command lines arguments needed for updall after changing over from 32Bit to 64 Bit Domino (and for that matter if you went from 64 Bit to 32 Bit Domino)... Any first access of a view or update to an FT index will cause a full rebuild just the first time...    Once it runs to completion the first time then all command line operations will be back in effect......
~Joseph Cisaver
Jun 18, 2013, 7:49 AM
6 Posts
I have done it!

I have ran an in-place upgrade from 8.5.3/32, to 9.0/64 with great success. The 8.5.3 was originally running on Win 2003/32. This was then moved to a Win 2008R2/64 platform (Run the Domino 8.5.3 install, replace the data catalog with the one from the old server, copy NOTES.INI and make the necessary changes to reflect the new server's directory structure). Make sure that the new server is running well with 8.5.3. Then, I ran the 9.0 install. The install program found the previous installation and automatically upgraded the old installation to 9.0/64. Quite amazing! After a server restart (just to be safe), Domino 9 went up and running like a breeze.

Having said that, it's always a good thing to have a new and fresh Domino installation without any trace of previous versions. My first server above was a test sever, the next server to be upgraded was the production server. This server was set up with Domino 9.0/64 from the beginning. Then, I moved all the databases from the old data directory to the new server. But before this was done, I ran a "cleanup" procedure against the old data directory, removing all the old ntf's, all the old system-nsf's which had been replaced with newer ones on R9. And of course, again you have to make the necessary changes in NOTES.INI.

Regarding Traveler, I would uninstall this before doing anything else. Then, make a new, fresh installation of the 64 bit version after you have the R9 server up and running. Traveler itself does not carry any data itself (except for the sync history in the Derby database), and the migration will affect users only marginally. (A full resync will be performed the first time the mobile devices connect to Traveller)

~Vera Xanlu
Jun 18, 2013, 10:24 AM
16 Posts
Thanks, but...

Thanks for your comments Svein. I just have one question...

Did you upgrade like this: 853/32 -> 853/32 -> 90/64

or like this: 853/32 -> 853/64 -> 90/64

 

Thanks

~Joseph Cisaver
Jun 18, 2013, 10:58 AM
6 Posts
Comment...

The upgrade (my first one) was done as you indicate first (853/32 -> 853/32 -> 90/64). Only reason why the middle stop had to be done was because the upgrade was done on new hardware. If you stick to the same machine, you could move directly from 853/32 to 90/64

~Vera Xanlu
Jun 18, 2013, 3:21 PM
16 Posts
Nice to know. Thanks for your feedback :)

 


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