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~Lisa Elweli
Apr 12, 2013, 2:41 PM
69 Posts

Language tagging

  • Category: Notes Client
  • Platform: Windows
  • Release: 9.0
  • Role: End User
  • Tags: language
  • Replies: 7

I still see the same crappy issues with instant check. It seems so incredibly bad designed, I could not believe it stands there since v8 has been released without any improvement. It is almost impossible to type an email with proper language settings. There's no way to choose a piece of text and assign a language to it with the right mouse click. Tagging toolbar can be enabled work works like a magic - you go there, select a language, come back to the text and it is "untagged" again. Very useful. I already reported this in beta and got a response that it will be improved and what? Not a single change. Guys, you have a major customer base in non-English speaking countries, why are you treating us like this?

~Bella Quetregengon
Apr 15, 2013, 1:30 AM
17 Posts
this problem is in our queue
Hello Alex,

We understand this issue take troubles to you.  Actually, this problem is in our queue, but not catch 9.0 release, we will try best to fix it in later release.
~Olga Opnibergikle
Apr 22, 2013, 3:13 PM
14 Posts
RE: Language tagging

Sorry IBM but this is an very ignorant approach to all non-english IBM Notes users. Spell-check is a fundamental part of an mail software client and right now there is two big issues that appeared in 9.0:

1. Installed dictionaries does not appear in in the instant spell check dictionary selection.

2. Language tagging is no longer available in the tools list.

How you can spend millions on development of this excellent 9.0 client and then forget spell check? It's like selling me a car without wheels!

~Bella Quetregengon
Apr 23, 2013, 7:13 AM
17 Posts
could you please provide some details?
Hello,

We may need some detail information to identify the exact problems.

1. Installed dictionaries does not appear in in the instant spell check dictionary selection.

   I guess you refer to the Primary Dictionary list in spell check preference pane.  So which language dictionary you installed?  Where did you get the dictionary package?  And how to install?

2. Language tagging is no longer available in the tools list.

   I think you mean that can't enable "Language" in toolbar list, right?  If so, please open menu View->Toolbar, the menu item "Show Toolbars Only When Editing" is checked or not, if checked, uncheck it.

~Olga Opnibergikle
Apr 24, 2013, 12:06 PM
14 Posts
RE: Language tagging

Hi there,

1. Installed dictionaries does not appear in in the instant spell check dictionary selection.

   Yes, I refer to the Primary Dictionary list in spell check preference pane.  I installed svensk.dic (Swedish) that is save on our server since version 8.5.

If there is and .dic language package for all languages and version 9 then I'd be very happy to download it.



2. Yes I mean that I can't enable "Language" in toolbar list. Performing the highly non-logical recommendation you sent actually allowed me to enable it. What I did was: View->Toolbar, the menu item "Show Toolbars Only When Editing" and uncheck it.
Then I selected "Language" and then again checked "Show Toolbars Only When Editing" and the Language option is still there.

The "Language" option is however still not showing as an valid option under Toolbars in the preference menu. Very unlogic as well. Especially as it's and toolbar component and it's been listed there for years.

But thank you for at least giving me this work-around option to enable the Lanuage option. Looking forward to get help regarding language "svensk". This is what is happening when trying to spell check Swedish.

Best regards

Rasmus

~Bella Quetregengon
Apr 25, 2013, 10:25 AM
17 Posts
my analysis
Hello,

From the first snapshot you attached, the Swedish is shown in Primary Dictionary list of spell preference pane, which means it has been installed already.  However, in second image, the spell on Swedish does not work as your expected.  Furthermore, I guess if you set Swedish as Default in preference, it will work for your document.

The reason of this case is, from version 8.5.1, Notes client implemented a new spell checking engine called XTAF(Extended Text Analysis Framework), then the "old" spell checking engine is called traditional spell checking.  The XTAF engine uses XTAF dictionary, it can't load traditional dictionary, by the way, the svensk.dic you used is just the traditional one.  We recommend customer to use XTAF engine and dictionary, however users can still use traditional spell in Notes client for compatibility consideration.  But, the XTAF can't run with traditional one at same time, that means if XTAF on a language is working, Notes can only switch language dictionaries among those XTAF dictionaries but not traditional dictionaries.  Running with traditional spell could not switch to XTAF either.  How to decide the spell engine type that running?  The answer is default language dictionary.  The Primary Dictionary list contains all dictionaries installed in Notes, both XTAF and traditional, if both dictionaries for one language are installed, XTAF is preferred.
Thus, I believe in your case, the default language, English (United States), is XTAF one.

To fix the issue, you can:
1. Install XTAF Swedish dictionary
2. Set Swedish as default in preference
3. Force using traditional spell always, you can set "SPELL_FORCE_LEGACY=1" in notes.ini and restart Notes client.

For each Notes client release, we will deliver 2 packages for dictionaries, one for XTAF, the other for traditional, each one contains all languages we supported.  For version 9.0, the part number for XTAF package (Windows) is CIF0EML, the part number for traditional package is CII88ML, you can find them on Notes install CD or download them from Passport Online http://www-306.ibm.com/software/howtobuy/passportadvantage/index.html.
~Olga Opnibergikle
Apr 24, 2013, 12:08 PM
14 Posts
RE: Language tagging

Hi there,

1. Installed dictionaries does not appear in in the instant spell check dictionary selection.

   Yes, I refer to the Primary Dictionary list in spell check preference pane.  I installed svensk.dic (Swedish) that is save on our server since version 8.5.

If there is and .dic language package for all languages and version 9 then I'd be very happy to download it.



2. Yes I mean that I can't enable "Language" in toolbar list. Performing the highly non-logical recommendation you sent actually allowed me to enable it. What I did was: View->Toolbar, the menu item "Show Toolbars Only When Editing" and uncheck it.
Then I selected "Language" and then again checked "Show Toolbars Only When Editing" and the Language option is still there.

The "Language" option is however still not showing as an valid option under Toolbars in the preference menu. Very unlogic as well. Especially as it's and toolbar component and it's been listed there for years.

But thank you for at least giving me this work-around option to enable the Lanuage option. Looking forward to get help regarding language "svensk". This is what is happening when trying to spell check Swedish.

Best regards

Rasmus

~Olga Opnibergikle
Apr 26, 2013, 1:47 PM
14 Posts
RE: Language tagging

Thank you! Excellent help!


This forum is closed to new posts and responses. Individual names altered for privacy purposes. The information contained in this website is provided for informational purposes only and should not be construed as a forum for customer support requests. Any customer support requests should be directed to the official HCL customer support channels below:

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