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RE: *I don't realize any such thing. <eom>
~Dean Brefanaman 1.Oct.02 09:20 PM a Web browser
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First of all, coming from someone who initially posted 6 word reply with no detail, I find your reply, um, interesting.

>> Surely you realize that Domino isn't 'evolving' - it's
>> being grafted onto WebSphere." Where is the evidence?

The evidence is abundant. I sat at LotusSphere and heard that Domino will become a collection of services that will run top of J2EE (let me think, what J2EE server would they prefer?).

I have read the same roadmap and apparently have come to a different conclusion than you have. I note that I've reached the same conclusion as many other Domino developers. Esp. reviewing the responses to my original post.

There's a reason that the "Road to the future" graphic from the roadmap has Next Gen entering from the WebSphere side of the highway.

Here's some things to consider:
1a) Look at the marketing efforts by IBM. Lotus/Domino gets very little attention. A look at IBM's homepage just now (5 PM ET) indicates that we should be celebrating 10 years of Thinkpad. When WebSphere had it's last big version upgrade, it was blazoned on IBM's homepage.
1b) Plain fact - Domino is a collection of very useful features that IBM sells as one low cost product and doesn't make a whole lot of money on. Contrast this with WebSphere. WebSphere is a brand of products that IBM can sell as pieces and make a killing on. IBM is a business and it is reasonable to expect it to favor, develop and market the products that have the most revenue potential.

2) Look at what is in v6 and what isn't. Garnet comes to mind. It does makes sense not to add yet another applet server, but it doesn't seem to make sense to remove LotusScript based JSPs, and the other really cool stuff that Garnet represented. IBM could have decided to use the WebSphere app server while still providing the other Garnet features. They didn't. This doesn't make sense UNLESS the goal is to provide support for current apps and guide people to another platform for the future.

3) The best face I can put on IBM's support of Lotus Notes/Domino is 'benign neglect'. IBM gives the appearance of hoping it does well in the market, but no more. Compare the R5 launch to the R6, er, v6 launch.

I still stand by the my opinion and think that any reasonable person would agree with me.




REVISED: Where is Domino going? (~Dean Brefanama... 1.Oct.02)
. . Good question - however... (~Lorraine Umkit... 1.Oct.02)
. . RE: REVISED: Where is Domino going?... (~Zach Xankroplo... 1.Oct.02)
. . RE: REVISED: Where is Domino going?... (~Maria Dworesal... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . I find Domino/Notes ideal for SMB (~Vera Quethipip... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . RE: I find Domino/Notes ideal for S... (~Dean Brefanama... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . So what do you think... (~Vera Quethipip... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . . . RE: So what do you think... (Placeh... (~Dean Brefanama... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . *Stop trolling. It is getting old. ... (~Yentl Quetkrot... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . RE: REVISED: Where is Domino going?... (~Dean Brefanama... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . RE: troll troll go away (if you clo... (~Dean Brefanama... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . . . *It is OK to be worried, but this i... (~Yentl Quetkrot... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: *It is OK to be worried, but th... (~Dean Brefanama... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . sorry, why not? (~Mario Cislugon... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . * LOL - sorry, why not? eom> (~Lex Ekweberg 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . RE: sorry, why not? (~Dean Brefanama... 2.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . RE: troll troll go away ... hide un... (~Patti Dwoavitc... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . *I don't realize any such thing. eo... (~Yentl Quetkrot... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . RE: I don't realize any such thing.... (~Dean Brefanama... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . . . RE: I don't realize any such thing.... (~Delores Dwonic... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: I don't realize any such thing.... (~Dean Brefanama... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . . . OK, here you go (~Yentl Quetkrot... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . . . . . RE: *I don't realize any such thing... (~Dean Brefanama... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . RE: *I don't realize any such thing... (~Delores Dwonic... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . *I don't realize any such thing. (~Dean Brefanama... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . Man, I don't believe this... (~Dan Elhipister... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . For the record... re: Man, I don't ... (~Naomi Deskrote... 2.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . RE: *I don't realize any such thing... (~Dean Brefanama... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . interesting... to me the IBM Softwa... (~Lisa Lopresach... 14.Oct.02)
. . RE: REVISED: Where is Domino going?... (~Hank Nimtumipl... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . RE: REVISED: Where is Domino going?... (~Delores Dwonic... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . RE: REVISED: Where is Domino going?... (~Dean Brefanama... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . RE: REVISED: Where is Domino going?... (~Dean Brefanama... 1.Oct.02)
. . Some general comments from Lotus. (~Mario Cislugon... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . RE: Some general comments from Lotu... (~Dean Brefanama... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . RE: Some general comments from Lotu... (~Holly Minjipyb... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . RE: Some general comments from Lotu... (~Richard Rerebu... 1.Oct.02)
. . . . . . interesting... (~Lisa Lopresach... 14.Oct.02)
. . RE: You might ask: What's the point... (~Carol Bubtooze... 2.Oct.02)
. . . . RE: You might ask: What's the point... (~Frank Oplumare... 2.Oct.02)
. . . . I got the same impression from Lotu... (~Hal Xanjumitex... 4.Oct.02)


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